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Many of the women in the real sect I woke up thinking about these women wanting to know what happened after the ending Kudos to Miriam Toews for not forgetting these women Thanks as always to Esil and Diane for our monthly read together A terrific discussion I received an advanced copy of this book from Bloomsbury through NetGalley Articles on the events this was based on In 2011 eight men belonging to the Manitoba Mennonite Colony were convicted of a series of sexual assaults committed from 2005 to 2009 Prior to the discovery the rapes had been attributed to a ghost or demon The victim I have done what the verse from Philippians instructed which is to think about what is good what is just what is pure and what is excellent And I have arrived at an answer pacifism I don t understand all the starred reviews for this bookPerhaps Women Talking works better if ou go into it expecting a religiophilosophical analysis instead of a feminist novelization of a true story There are some echoes of Plato in here to be sure Readers familiar with Socratic discussions will recognize the repetitive circles of conversation as the women discuss what is the best and most moral decision in the eyes of godPretty much everything that happens can be gathered from the title and description I was intrigued and horrified to hear that this is based on a true story of a Mennonite colony in Bolivia Over several ears hundreds of women and girls were drugged and raped in their beds by ghosts or demons These supernatural creatures were eventually discovered to be men of the colony Bringing attention to this horrendous crime is arguably the book s strongest point In this book women talk Yes I m being a little facetious but it s an accurate description of almost the entire book This isn t a problem in itself It s just that these discussions among the Mennonite women about whether they should leave the colony or stay and fight are bloodless unbelievably rational given the circumstances and concerned almost solely with religion and analyzing what their religion wants them to doThey sit around sharing cigarettes and drinking instant coffee and weigh the pros and cons of leaving and argue about various interpretations of what their religion would ask of them I ve never heard sexual abuse approached in such a cold and emotionless wayI also don t understand why this supposedly feminist story was given to a male narrator I ve seen some others argue that it is because the book is framed as meeting minutes which must be kept by August Epp because the women are illiterate This might make sense in theory but I have no idea why the author decided to use meeting minutes at all when this book is written in a style unlike any meeting minutes I have ever seen in my life It doesn t read like meeting minutes it reads like a regular first person narration from a man s point of view An odd choiceI think this might be a book for readers who enjoy lengthy discussions about how to correctly apply religious doctrineBlog Facebook Twitter Instagram Youtube the fact that this two hundred page book took me 2 weeks to read is basically a review in and of itselfI really wanted to like this book which is based on a true story so horrifying and unbelievable and real that it would be ridiculous if it were never fictionalized but I just couldn t for so many little basically me being nitpicky reasons including the I don t know how this book got publishedA for so many little basically me being nitpicky reasons including the I don t know how this book got publishedA account of actual events a dark and disturbing subject with a plethora of 4 and 5 star reviews What could go wrong Well in the case of this book everythingThe entire book is spelled out in the description Eight Mennonite women discover that themselves along with 100 other women and children in their community have been drugged and raped by the community men over the course of two ears These eight women gather secretly to discuss what they are going to do now that the truth has come to light They have three choices stay and do nothing stay and fight or leave What follows is that secret conver This book almost reads like a science fiction novel like some distant cousin of A Handmaid s Tale until ou remember it is based on a true story A sect of Mennonites live in a distant part of Bolivia speaking their is based on a true story A sect of Mennonites live in a distant part of Bolivia speaking their language and rarely in contact with the outside world When it s discovered that the women of the community were being drugged and raped by 8 of the men the men are arrested and sent to prison in the city While the rest of the men are away securing the release of the rapists eight of the women meet to determine whether to fight or leave the community The women are illiterate but desire to have minutes taken of their meeting So August the school teacher and only remaining man in the colony is tasked with keeping their minutesThe title is apt because about the only thing that happens during this book is talking It gets very bogged down pretty uickly as the women go back and forth arguing their limited options The arguments tend to be circular as women change their positions repeatedly I found it hard to relate to them as real people and it took me ages to be able to keep them straight in my headHere s how ou know Un Nol River Falls you re really not enjoying a book whenou find Jane and Julio yourself repeatedly looking atour TBR ueue wanting desperately to get to our next book There were some passages that moved me but not enough to draw me into the book I felt this book was all about unrealized potentialMy thanks to netgalley and Bloomsbury Publishing for an advance copy of this book. Ry they live in have very little time to make a choice Should they stay in the only world they’ve ever known or should they dare to escapeBased on real events and told through the “minutes” of the women’s all female symposium Toews’s masterful novel uses wry politically engaged humor to relate this tale of women claiming their own power to decide. He story The women s conversation is varied in the way real women interact they move seamlessly between painful recollections philosophical debates religious scripture bickering teasing and tenderness Through their conversation we get a glimpse into the unusual and vulnerable lives these women have led it s hard to imagine living without knowing how to read without knowing anything about the world beyond our small community and feeling that The Cambridge Handbook of Sociolinguistics your community will not protectou from this type of aggression It s hard not to feel claustrophobic The end is beautiful I would have loved to know what happens to these women after they make their decision At times I found it hard to keep track of the different women although Ona who was August s childhood friend is a real standout Despite the difficult topic there were a few delightful touches of humour At times especially in the middle the narrative felt repetitive Mind Mille et un champignons you many conversations involving a group of people trying to make a decision are repetitiveThe bottom line is that despite its flaws Women Talking is well worth reading It is rich and potent I am especially grateful to have read this one as a buddy read with Angela and Diane This is without a single doubt the most important book I have read allearThe women have three options they can choose from but they can choose only one 1 Do nothing2 Stay and fight3 Leave But perhaps one is enough Perhaps that one option can open multiple other possibilities If the women arrive to a conclusion that isAlready from the straight forward title Faire l'amour de manire divine you know 90% of what is happening in this book Women are talking about their situations and trying to imagine a safer future for themselves and their children This is a work of fiction andet Miriam Toews wrote this book as a reaction to real life events that have happened in a Mennonite colony in Bolivia In this colony women were raped in the night by unwelcome visitors believed to be demons sent by the devil himself to punish the women for their sins But the truth came out It was the men who committed these acts Men who raped women teenage girls and even Je mourrai pas gibier young children The accused men were incarcerated but in this version of the story the Priest and the majority of the other men plan to bail them out without consideration for the women And in a patriarchal society what can women who have been oppressed all their lives by their fathers their husbands and even their sons and whose thoughts don t matter do to stop these violent acts against them and start leading peaceful livesThat is what Greta Agata Mariche Ona Mejal Salome Autje and Neitje theoungest in the group are pondering August Epp the man who records these conversations also participates in the discussions at times He is someone the women can trust Everyone has a role to play and everyone s voice is heard for once Even the Il est temps d'agir (IC.ESSAIS) youngest ones Autje and Neitje gain confidence and become involved in their own ways despite being reluctant to participate in the beginningI cannot imagine discouraging anyone from reading this incredible story The format is originales and the themes salient of course but it s also utterly captivating If ou know me even a little ou know that I don t give high ratings to important books whose important ideas were poorly developed Otherwise I would have definitely given The Kiss uotient five stars But this this is everything Blog Youtube Twitter Instagram Google Bloglovin In the loft of a barn the women of a Mennonite community in Bolivia meet to talk about what they should do how they could move forward to protect themselves and their daughters from of the vicious rapes they have endured as they were drugged in the middle of the night I would have found this hard to imagine if not for this opening sentence of a note by the author before the book begins Between 2005 and 2009 in a remote Mennonite colony in Bolivia named the Manitoba Colony after the province in Canada from which the colonists had emigrated in the mid 1900 s hundreds of girls and women would wake up in the morning feeling drowsy and in pain their bodies bruised and bleeding having been attacked in the night The attacks were attributed to ghosts and demons Some members of the community felt the women were being made to suffer by God or Satan as punishment for their sins many accused the women of lying for attention or to cover up adultery still others believed everything was the result of wild female imagination See the links to some news stories I have posted at the end That this novel is based on a true story makes this such a horrific and powerful story as we listen to the women talk to each other about their options story as we listen to the women talk to each other about their options to the only man left at the colony August a teacher who takes minutes for them since these women have never been allowed to read or write The rest of the men have gone to bail out the rapists who were taken into police custody for their safety the safety of the men not the women Meanwhile these women struggle with what to do to keep their daughters safe The discussions are difficult philosophical religious practical and heartbreaking as they recount their experiences Should they do nothing Should they Stay And Fight Should They and fight Should they The middle of the book felt a little slow but then I thought that these discussions seemed realistic it was not an easy decision to make While this was their story I was moved by August s connection to them This is one of those books that was so impactful and definitely a powerful telling of the awful things that happened to. Heir own community they are determined to protect themselves and their daughters from future harmWhile the men of the colony are off in the city attempting to raise enough money to bail out the rapists and bring them home these women all illiterate without any knowledge of the world outside their community and unable even to speak the language of the count.

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I had to stop And think for a little than a day on what my rating of this would be had to separate my feelinges so I could judge what Toews has accomplished by writing this book uite frankly this book made me so angry for the women in this Mennonite enclosed colony in Bolivia Between 2005 and 2009 over 100 women and children were drugged and raped by male members of their sect The oungest was three a great part of what made me so angry These women were expected to forgive their rapists and just carry on as if nothing had occurred There is to this but that is all I m The women in this book have been dealt a hand of crappy cards AND I MEAN CRAPPYThe women need to talk With only 2 days free until the men in their community return its their intension to bring back the lovely rapists who have been in jail to give them back their RAPING LEADERSHIP cuz they are such nice wholesome decent menHa Sowhile the men are away the women will play with one man allowed to play tooEight women meet secretly barn style group emergency chat gathering What the f k solution can they agree upon that will protect them in the future A couple of the women are pregnant already greetings daddy and several daughters were also RAPED The word violated is just not BIG ENOUGH The ear was 2011 when the two day talk a thon took place The RAPES took place in the Vie des douze Csars (Intgrale) Sutone years 2005 2006 Over 100 women were RAPED I wonder how many times I need to write the word RAPE before the devastating REALITY syncs into every cell of our HEARING THIS And what s the plan to STOP IT NOTE this might sound trite when talking about RAPE not intended but Geeeeee we each know how hard it is to make changes in our OWN LIVESWe are FAMILIAR with our crappy problems to change them FOR THE BETTER is one of the hardest things a human being does FOR THEIR OWN BENEFIT People resist change Change creates upset it s frightening THINKING about change talking about it is a start but even for THE MOST INDEPENDENT POWERHOUSE women today who believes in civil rights justice their life working has STRUGGLES CHANGINGtheir environment diet and habits etc Yet these 8 women whom have ONLY KNOWN this lifestyle are expected to clap their hands over a solid solutionGood luckThese are RELIGIOUS women Their thought reasoning is specific God their faith is a strong force They haven t been raised to think freelyThe women couldn t read or write of course Welcome to their religious community Wow even in theear 2011 That type of organized religion is one I wouldn t wish for my worse enemy THIS IS NOT the 1600 s Who knew that in the EnochDialogues avec dieu et les anges years 2000 illiterate was desired in ANY community religious or otherwiseIt s Religious brainwash if the women felt not reading was being faithful to their God August Ebb was the only man also a part of the 2 day talk a thon He was the minutes note taking guy The women trusted August to have their best interest at heart HoweverGod forbid the eight women could trust their own voices together without the need of a MAN for help Yep fitting It s the community the Mennonite women knew Men were always granted power than womenSo why would this women s talking gathering be any different See the problem about solution solving What if the rapists are released on bail and return to the colony and find that there are no girls and women here and begin to use these boys the 13 and 14ear olds as targets for their attackOne of the females Mejal chimes in Surely we can t be afraid of boys this age Why couldn t they join usOna another woman speaks August Catamount, Tome 3 : La justice des corbeaux you re the boys teacher What isour feeling about this Do our boys at this age pose a threat to our girls and women August must stop his transcribing in order to properly answer her uestion I m simply not capable of containing my happiness and surprise at being asked a uestion by Ona formulating my answer communicating it in Low German and translating it instantly in my mind to English while almost Simultaneously Writing In English Translation writing in English translation paper August s answer Ha teasing don t expect me to give ou spoilers However his answer is in two parts YetNO ANSWER is clear cut and dry when it comes to looking at religious beliefs forgiveness repenting education sinners heaven and hell The women in the community talked talked discussingarguinglaughing at times debated ultimately about how to take their lives back after these horrific RAPESBased on a real life eventDystopian Fiction written in a uniue formatvery visual to imagineMiriam Toews took a god awful terrifying subject made it personal offering readers the possibility for our own added interactive discussionsPerfect book club pick Thank You Bloomsbury Publishing Netgalley and Miriam Toews 4 StarsWomen Talking Is Not Perfect But It Toews 4 starsWomen Talking is not perfect but it very powerful and well worth reading Miriam Toews announces at the beginning that the book is based on true events in Bolivia where a number of Mennonite women were raped and abused by a group of men in their community Women Talking imagines a two day conversation amongst the women as they decide whether to stay or leave their community The book is very short but there is so much to the narrative that it defies easy description or critiue but here is a list of thoughts and reactions in no particular order The story is narrated by August who sits in on the women s conversation for the purpose of taking minutes because none of the women is able to read or write August infuses much of his own history and his own thoughts into the narrative His point of view and personality add a lot to the texture of One evening eight Mennonite women climb into a hay loft to conduct a secret meeting For the past two ears each of these women and than a hundred other girls in their colony has been repeatedly violated in the night by demons coming to punish them for their sins Now that the women have learned they were in fact drugged and attacked by a group of men from

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